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Wednesday, February 04, 2009

The Presumption of Atheism

This blog is merely a repost. Click the blog's title above to go to the original.

In a court of law the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. There are a myriad of beliefs out there in the world - some weird, some sensible, and some downright absurd. What is the typical approach when faced with a new claim or a new belief? Do we at first assume that the belief is true until proven false? It seems clear to me that this is not the way we typically behave when faced with a new belief.

Suppose that I tell you that unicorns exist. Is your first reaction going to be - “Okay, I will assume that you are right until I can prove otherwise?” Of course not. The way that we approach new and not self-evidently true claims is by holding off believing in the claim until it can be demonstrated to be true. As for unicorns, I will not believe in them until I see positive evidence for their existence. In this sense, the approach to all new beliefs should be one of skepticism first and then belief next only on the condition that there is sufficient evidence to support that belief.

In general this can be called The Presumption of Skepticism.

Unfortunately, it seems that some people forget that this applies to any belief, including belief in god. Thus, the theist asks - “How can you be an atheist if you can’t prove that god doesn’t exist?” Given the presumption of skepticism, one should remain skeptical (and therefore, an atheist) in belief in god until it can be satisfactorily shown that god exists.

An atheist taking a presumption of atheism does not need to prove anything. His or her atheism is justified by an absence of evidence for the existence of god, just as our skepticism of the existence of unicorns is justified by an absence of any evidence that unicorns exist. If one cannot positively support a belief, the only other sensible option is to decline that belief - put it off or on hold until evidence or proof can be found.

The Presumption of Atheism has been rigorously defended and described by the philosopher Anthony Flew. In writing about the presumption of atheism, Flew wrote:

It is by reference to this inescapable demand for grounds that the presumption of atheism is justified. If it is to be established that there is a God, then we have to have good grounds for believing that this is indeed so. Until and unless some such grounds are produced we have literally no reason at all for believing; and in that situation the only reasonable posture must be that of either the negative atheist or the agnostic. So the onus of proof has to rest on the proposition.

The Burden of Proof

A related question is that of the burden of proof. That is, who should be responsible for providing proof or evidence? The simple answer is - the person who makes a positive claim. In other words, it is the person who makes the claim that must provide the proof, not that person who is skeptical or unconvinced of that claim. In sum, the burden of proof rests on anyone making a positive
claim as opposed to a negative claim. Here are some examples of positive and negative claims:

Positive Claims (Carries the Burden of Proof)

  • I believe that god exists.
  • I believe that god doesn’t exist.
  • I believe that angels exist.
  • I believe that the world will end next month.

Negative Claims (Does not carry the Burden of Proof)

  • I don’t believe that god exists.
  • I don’t believe that angels exist.
  • I don’t believe that the world will end next
    month.

Notice the subtle difference between these two statements: (1) I believe that god doesn’t exist and (2) I do not believe that god exists. Number (1) is a positive statement and thus, carries the burden of proof: God does not exist. Number (2) is a negative statement and a position of skepticism and does not carry the burden of proof: I am not convinced that god exists. It is quite easy over the course of a conversation or a debate to over look this distinction and mistake number (2) for (1).

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5 Comments:

Blogger Will Goodwin said...

so...what if I said I don't believe there is not a God? just kidding. I actually completely agree with you. any believer must be willing to defend their faith. Apologetics is a lost essential leaving most believers dangerously educated enough to make fools of themselves and the faith they follow. however, if I placed you in the category of one whose faith is that science has an answer for everything, you'd have to cover all the gaps. Not to mention the numerous mistakes, hoaxes, and large number of ideas that still have no concrete hypothesis. The uncertainties drive both sides of this argument.

i'll readily admit there are countless things I don't completely understand about my faith or why God behaves the way He does. I'd be arrogant to think I actually had it all figured out. But there are two very important things that keep me on my side and not yours: 1) even if my working hypothesis is based on a positive statement I have the obligation to prove before I can expect you to prove the opposite, I still have yet to find any hard evidence that contradicts my theory and 2) though it may be considered "emotional," i have seen things, witnessed events with my own eyes, been a part of activities and circumstances that can only be categorized as supernatural (trust me, i've tried to find the logical explanation). when I have been in the deepest pit of questions and doubt, i can't shake the actual real life experiences I've had with the "pink unicorn."

ironically, if all goes according to plan, a day will come when the table will shift and the proof will present itself. in the meantime, all that is asked of me is to love and love genuinely. so that is what I do.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:01:00 AM CST

 
Blogger Will Goodwin said...

btw, sorry to hear about your divorce. I know its got to be hard and i'll be praying for you...even if it doesn't do anything ;)

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:03:00 AM CST

 
Blogger randomblink said...

"btw, sorry to hear about your divorce. I know its got to be hard and i'll be praying for you...even if it doesn't do anything ;)"

Well thank you... I am doing well tho.

Actually, I don't necessarily think that prayer doesn't DO anything. Have you ever heard of Thought Field Therapy? Just because Science doesn't have an answer YET, doesn't mean I can just ignore ALL subjective evidence. I just try to put it in context and apply the laws of scientific theory before I can say "Yes, this I believe."

I have inclinations towards the concept of man's thought and will able to interact with the physical plane on some level outside of bodily manipulation.

Ergo think happy thoughts about someone and they feel better.

My biggest argument against theism in general? Why don't you believe in my Invisible, Intangible, Immortal, Pink Unicorns? You believe in a Sky Fairy that randomly grants wishes according to some divine purpose, yet he doesn't heal amputees? The two fictional entities are just as believable... they each have just as much evidence as the other... yet you stick with one over the other, and I don't believe you can give justifiable reasoning for it.

As for your subjective evidence, I can point you to just as many people who have the same accounts and certainty about encounters with aliens and bigfoot... even the boogie man... So what makes YOUR account any more believable?

Man is easily fooled. We are nothing more than hyper-complex hormonal meat-bags. The fact that we have the internet is just damn amazing! lol

Now you made a point about having yet to find any hard evidence that contradicts your theory... why would that lead you to continue to believe in something with no hard evidence to support your theory? Just because I have not come across any hard evidence that would suggest that I am not immortal doesn't mean I'll run across a 6 lane highway with a blindfold on...

Yet you're living a life focused around what (I believe) amounts to a fictional character written by a group of 2000+ year old sheep herders?!

Now if that makes you happy? GREAT! I have on TV PLENTY of people who are just IN LOVE with fictional characters. They invest their lifes energy and focus on those characters, they dress like them, act like them, and absorb their personas into them. The difference between them and a christianity-based-theist is that they don't feel this need to tell everyone around them how bad, wrong, evil, or mistaken they are because they don't follow their lead and focus on this fictional character.

Well, this was supposed to be a simple reply... I guess I should stop... chuckle.

For the record, one of my best friends is a Priest, so I don't harbor ill-will towards YOU. But I think that theism is a plague on humanity and whatever I can do to counter it in any form? I feel a need to do...

The difference between you and me is that you could provide objective evidence that proved your deity was real? And I would completely change my life. I however could present to you enough hard evidence to suggest that your holy book is a fraud, your savior was faked, your church system is destructive, and your deity is non-existent and you would just say "Well, I have faith."

Fanaticism vserus Passion

(again, I need to stop... I could write forever... sorry)

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:49:00 AM CST

 
Blogger Will Goodwin said...

"I just try to put it in context and apply the laws of scientific theory before I can say 'Yes, this I believe.'"

good for you. I do the same thing but also put it against the context of scripture. haven't found a contradiction yet.

"randomly grants wishes"

skewed interpretation of prayer but okay...i'll bite. God does not teach to ask for wishes. The Bible teaches to pray for our needs and nothing more. We are to believe we are blessed to receive anymore. I could write a lot about this because I may not think of prayer like most "christians" do who think they can ask God for anything and deserve to get it. for from it. even the context of passages that say ask and you shall receive are specific to needs in every internal context. i digress.

"yet he doesn't heal amputees?"

why does he have to heal amputees? my wife is paralyzed. I would have never known her had it not been for her accident. not saying it is God. just saying I don't understand the purpose for everything.

"So what makes YOUR account any more believable?"

nothing. that is why it is personal. I'm sure any legitimate boogie man or ghost tracker wishes all their doubters could see and experience the things they have. I believe in the possibility of ghosts and aliens if that helps. :) I actually have an intense explanation for my theory on ghosts that has offended many a christian. ask me about it sometime.

"Man is easily fooled. We are nothing more than hyper-complex hormonal meat-bags. The fact that we have the internet is just damn amazing! lol"

couldn't agree more.

"why would that lead you to continue to believe in something with no hard evidence to support your theory?"

I believe the hard evidence is in the science and the universe around us. It is trying to find a way to connect the dots so those who don't see it can see it that is difficult.

"Yet you're living a life focused around what (I believe) amounts to a fictional character written by a group of 2000+ year old sheep herders?!"

that made me laugh outloud. not at you...just the paragraph. the God "character" would have to fall in manuscripts some 6000+ years ago. As for Jesus, you might want to do a little more homework on that one. agree with it or not, it is pretty difficult to dispute the external and internal evidences his existence and what happened to him is actually real history.

"they don't feel this need to tell everyone around them how bad, wrong, evil, or mistaken they are because they don't follow their lead and focus on this fictional character."

some of my peers are jerks and idiots and if the government would open a christian season, there is a long list I'd personally take out myself. i personally just like having intelligent conversations even if the person on the other end completely disagrees with me.

"I don't harbor ill-will towards YOU."

nor i to you.

"I however could present to you enough hard evidence to suggest that your holy book is a fraud, your savior was faked, your church system is destructive, and your deity is non-existent"

the church-system can be destructive. shamefully, I know a lot of "christians" who don't know there right hand from their left when it comes to their faith. It is a laminated copy handed to them by generations of progressively less intelligent followers before them. however, the church-system can also bless millions? did you hear how much your local church donated to hurricane katrina? probably not much. But churches and christian non-profits across the globe gave half a billion dollars. that helped somebody.

hard evidence? i'd love to hear it. you're right, it won't sway my faith because of reason #2 I gave you. however, if there is a legitimate, and I mean really legitimate reason not to believe, i'd like to hear it.

thanks for the conversation. i'll check back.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 3:56:00 PM CST

 
Blogger randomblink said...

No contradictions?

Let's see... I've got a while book of em, we can start with:


2 Samuel 23:8
The ... chief among the captains ... he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time.


1 Chronicles 11:11
The chief of the captains: he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time.

How many did the chief of the captains slay? 300 or 800?

Contradiction #1

Should I go on?

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:03:00 PM CST

 

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